(A post in the old web log form: notes for those familiar with the material. Don’t look for hyperlinks or background in this post.)
Thank you to those who’ve pointed out spelling errors.
A special thanks to the Anon who linked me to the NTO. It's helped me in some important ways I'll be posting about.
I need post a link and will do that later today.
Do you folks see the "Nifong & the copier discovery" story as being very important?
If Nifong wasn't on to the case before 3/23 where did all "the push" to frame the kids come from? And what was the motive(s) for "the push?"
Mind, I'm not saying it all didn't happen through the NTO on 3/23 with Nifong
knowing nothing.
But if it did happen that way, who was directing it and why? It must have been someone very important to get police officers to go against so much evidence other officers had that indicated no such crimes were committed.
Let me hear from you.
A commenter wrote I’ve said the most important thing in the Hoax has been the public silence of Duke trustees, administrators and almost all faculty as well as Durham’s leaders when and since Reade Seligmann was targeted with threats, including death threats.
I’ve never said that was the most important event of the Hoax.
But I do believe the threats were despicable actions that good citizens and good communities condemn. Duke and Durham’s silences are as disgraceful as they are revealing.
I’ll continue to speak out about the events of May 18. I hope all of you do, too.
Another commenter picked me up for saying the N&O had not explained its thirteen month long cover-up of the exculpatory statements Crystal Mangum made during the Mar. 24, 2006 anonymous interview.
Folks, I know Editor Sill and others at the N&O have said it was “a story on deadline;” that the N&O withheld “only details;” and that the N&O was “handicapped during the first week” by what the N&O says was the failure of the players and parents to cooperate with it.
Those are not explanations; they’re deceptive excuses.
You don’t explain a thirteen month cover-up of critically important and exculpatory news the public and other media should have had with “a story on deadline.”
If “on deadline” was the explanation for the exculpatory news not being in the March 25, 2006 story, there was nothing stopping the N&O from reporting it the next day, was there?
The only value I find in the N&O “on deadline” excuse is that it reveals the N&O’s contempt for its readers’ intelligence.
“Only details” an explanation?
The N&O’s “anonymous interview” story reported Mangum was a mother of two, a human interest detail but not important to the accusations the story was supposedly about.
I use “supposedly” because the N&O’s Mar. 25 story was in fact a fraud contrived to present Mangum as the victim while it framed the lacrosse players as her victimizers.
That’s why the N&O had to withhold such a critically important and extremely relevant detail as Mangum claiming the second dancer was also raped at the party.
Reporting that detail and other critically important details the N&O withheld would have broken the frame the N&O was working so hard to hang around the players’ necks.
And how would DA Mike Nifong have explained a second “rape victim” when he first began talking publicly about the case on March 27?
Folks, I’m out of time right now. I’ll continue this tonight.
John
Tuesday, May 01, 2007
Talking to Regulars & Commenters – May 1, 2007
Posted by JWM at 12:35 PM
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Thanks John!
Comments on a couple questions you had;
1 - "Do you folks see the 'Nifong & the copier discovery' story as being very important?"
I read an LS post that mentioned it was a copy of the faxed order instead of just a copy left unattended to by the copier. I've wondered about that, but have not researched it. If you have an answer, without wasting efforts on research, I'd love to read it.
2 - "If Nifong wasn't on to the case before 3/23 where did all 'the push' to frame the kids come from? And what was the motive(s) for 'the push'?"
He knew of the case by 3/20, as he had signed a subpoena to produce the medical records that day. If he was involved in any other way before the "copier discovery", it still would not explain all that took place between 3/14 and either of those dates.
The only simple explanation is that Gottlieb had it out for the Dukies, his team followed him blindly, and ALL of his superiors bent the rules and went to bat for him. That's a stretch in my opinion.
It's also difficult to imagine Mikey being smart and ambitious enough to have taken over so quickly and that all the corrupt activities that followed the NTO are to be credited to him.
In my opinion, the most important issue regarding the hoax is the double motivations to put everything at Mike Nifong's doorstep.
The obvious impulse to do this comes from those who behaved improperly. There is a great deal of evidence that such people played a large role in originating and perpetuating aspects of the hoax. Many such actions have been the subject of JinC posts--thanks, John!
The other wellspring of the Bad-Nifong idea is more diffuse and more powerful. It's the can't-we-all-just-get-along crowd. Now that the rats have left the SS Nifong, it can be safely attacked. Crime, punishment, justice. But the anger and contentousness and divisiveness of asking about DPD, or CrimeStoppers, or Duke administrators, or the N&O--can't have that!
I enjoyed the copier article a lot. In my view, just about everything in the event is known except what motivated Nifong to keep this going after the primary. Of course, conspiracy folk are everywhere = Like Jack Kennedy, it is so hard to accept that something unimaginaly terrible occurs due to the action of an ordinary dope. I don't think a frame was going until Nifong and the NO got into it. Did her claim warrant DNA testing? I think so - with the science today - why not use it. I don't think the cops can just say -you are nuts. Or at least, I hope not. The negative DNA should have been the end of the story - thats when I think the frame by Nifong started.
As to the "who" and the motive, Gottlieb, I suspect, is the starting point, but the real culprits are above him-- in the police department or beyond, in city hall. The DCABP and others in the black power structure need crises from time to time to keep their hold on lower class blacks. I doubt we'll ever know the truth-- unless there is a federal investigation.
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