No DNA matches!
Not a single member of the Duke University Men's lacrosse team matched by DNA to the alleged rape victim.
Can you believe that?
Can you believe that after all Durham's DA, Mike Nifong, and the "they should be in jail now" crowd told you?
There wasn't even a DNA match with those false fingernails the accuser said she lost while fighting off three white male lacrosse team members she claimed raped and strangled her.
In a day or two I'll say more about how much, during the past few weeks, I've appreciated JinC commentators who, almost without exception, stood by the "innocent until proven guilty" standard.
Right now, with those DNA results public, we can all ask: "Would any DA in these circumstances go any further in prosecuting one, some or all of the lacrosse players? "
Well, maybe you wouldn't, but tonight the "word on the street" is that tomorrow morning Nifong will announce he'll continue to push for rape convictions.
That said, I need to tell you that as of 11:30 PM Eastern tonight, there's still "no word on the street" about which, if any, member or members of the lacrosse team Nifong plans to charge.
I'll report and comment tomorrow, Tuesday, on what Nifong says and does.
Meanwhile two questions:
Should we keep referring to "the Duke lacrosse rape story?"
Shouldn't we now be referring to the "Mike Nifong rape case story?"
What do you think?
Monday, April 10, 2006
The Duke lacrosse case: Time for a name change?
Posted by JWM at 10:17 PM
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We should simply refer to it as Nifong's Criminal Conspiracy.
Did I not predict what the move was goingt to be. I thought he was sending signals to the girl.
"If you want to be famous and I want to be prosecutor you are going to have to commit perjury and positively identify some innocent people as your assailants."
I thought I saw this scam coming, I hoped I was wrong. I was not. If NC has a grand jury system that allows citizens to present cases for a possible true bill, now would be a good time to try to get Nifong himself indicted for Criminal conspiracy to suborn perjury, deny civil and falsely prosecute under color of law while abusing his office for personal political gain.
The same strategy will work on him that he hopes will work for him. Victory is not necessary, just the hassle and time and trouble and expense involved will ruin his life. Just as he is trying to do to people he has no reason to believe committed a crime.
should say "deny civil rights"
Dear straightarrow,
You've been right from the beignning.
Many people have come to this blog from all over the country.
Your comments have helped remind people of what's important and how we should treat situations where we dont have all data.
Have you thought about commenting at Sill's blog and other N&O blogs?
I think you could have a significant impact there.
I plan to post in a day or two about folks going to The N&O blogs.
But hey, don't stop commenting at JinC!
This unproofed.
John
It might also be time to enlist the state's Attorney General. I can't imagine that the political machine in NC is going to appreciate the heat and light shining on them from all over the nation.
The governor may want a private word with Nifong, the criminal.
Dear straightarrow,
Your comment deserves a thouhtful answer that tonight I'm too tired to give it.
A lot happened today here in Durham.
But I'll get to it in time and if I don't I count on your to remind me.
All good things to you.
Unproofed
Best,
John
Ok, lack of DNA does not prove innocence.
"Cheshire said even if the alleged attackers used a condom, it's likely there would have been some DNA evidence found suggesting an assault took place. He said in this case, the report states there was no DNA on her to indicate that she had sex of any type recently."
This means there is no sign of sex with anybody, not even some other guy and she has a boyfriend. Remember with Kobe Bryant they found dna from four other guys on the accuser.
Hmmmm. Odd. Object of penetration may have been a broom.
Also, to folks, especially the parents, saying "We knew these were good boys". Uh, sense when is under aged drinking, public urination, hiring strippers and yelling racial slurs, acceptable behavior.
And again, we all jump to conclusions. No DNA suggest guys didn't even touch her and no one touched her.
People who heard the allegations were quick to call it a rape. Now with DNA coming back people are quick to call it a scam.
Something happened. She could be lying a lot and they could be lying a little. But don't rule out that both parties could still be lying.
Anon, you are absolutely right. ""Ok, lack of DNA does not prove innocence.""
Lack of evidence of a crime, lack of evidence of participation in a crime that hasn't been proven to have occurred don't warrant accusations and pursuit of charges either. In fact, it is downright discouraged as illegal to falsely accuse, and to abuse the power of office for personal gain.
So far, those are the only crimes that have any logical basis for support.
Unlike so many, "show me the evidence". To date, the only evidence I have seen suggests the accusers are the criminals here.
John, I commented on Sills blog. Let me know what you think. I value your opinion.
holy cow... anonymous amazes me. and the fact there are thousands of other clueless opinions like that out there. "Ok, lack of DNA does not prove innocence"... heck, you only canceled the kids season, tarnished them for life, sainted a topless dancer, allowed the moonbats 15 minutes of fame on campus... should we pay the dancer on top of this... and hang the players by there toes "Just in Case"? heck, they are rich white kids... and she is underpriveledged and black...
I'm embarrassed to be an north carolinean.
Just a Screamer?
The Cab Driver who vindicated one of the Lacrosse players also said that he heard screaming and that someone said "oh she is just a screamer".
Screamer, meaning screaming while having sex obviously.
It's obvious that she was either raped or had sex with someone at that party. The fact nobody admitted having consensual sex with the woman is very very suspicious.
A Known Drunk
However, she is a known drunk so I wouldn't be suprised if she had consensual sex that she was not willing to admit to.
Date Rape Drug Possible
It's also possible that she was given a date rape drug. That's what usually happens when a girl is almost knocked out drunk in a matter of a few minutes.
They don't have a case
I personally think that they don't have a case but they are just trying to put pressure on the two boys to snitch on the real criminal.
What about Kobe?
I just can't believe how this has turned into such a racially motivated issue. They are talking about these Rich kids getting away with rape. Well what about Kobe? He's got more money than anybody.
To anonymous at 1:57 - This is what I recall the cabbie's comments to be -- not 'screamer' but 'stripper'. It is possible I've missed reporting about him using the word 'screamer' if so, please post:
Update: The cab driver's story about his second trip to pick up players at the party becomes even more suspect. CNN reports:
Less than an hour after he says he picked up Seligmann and a friend, Mostafa says he got another call -- at around 1:07 a.m. March 14 -- to pick up people at the same North Buchanan address. He said he saw about 20 people on the lawn of the home, "yelling, talking back" to each other, including one African-American woman who he said didn't appear to be injured.
Four men got into the taxi, Mostafa said, and they appeared to be drunk. One of them said, "She's just a stripper," Mostafa quoted.
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