tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13073631.post6128740937600877410..comments2024-01-04T07:21:18.243-05:00Comments on John In Carolina: Those are human beings in ZimbabweUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13073631.post-34640691226043859382008-06-24T07:18:00.000-04:002008-06-24T07:18:00.000-04:00RM: Would you care to identify anything I wrote th...RM: Would you care to identify anything I wrote that wasn't factual?<BR/>Tarheel HawkeyeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13073631.post-11785696334714499962008-06-24T05:27:00.000-04:002008-06-24T05:27:00.000-04:00John,I forgot to mention that a good website (upda...John,<BR/><BR/>I forgot to mention that a good website (updated several times a day) to get you (or anyone else interested) up to speed on developments in Zimbabwe is: www.zimbabwesituation.com <BR/><BR/>It features worldwide press articles on the crisis; the archives are worthy of any university library worldwide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13073631.post-37872054069839290782008-06-24T03:06:00.000-04:002008-06-24T03:06:00.000-04:00To Red Mountain:I do not appreciate your endorseme...To Red Mountain:<BR/><BR/>I do not appreciate your endorsement of my post, or your comments in general.<BR/><BR/>In future please refrain!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13073631.post-43136521375296669062008-06-23T23:45:00.000-04:002008-06-23T23:45:00.000-04:00Danvers,Thanks for a great comment.I'll say more a...Danvers,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for a great comment.<BR/><BR/>I'll say more about it tomorrow on the main page.<BR/><BR/>To TH,<BR/><BR/>I don't know about the canabilism although I've heard some experts believe its occured.<BR/><BR/>What isn't in doubt is that in sub-Saharin, post-Colonial Africa there's been in the last half-century black-on-black slaughter with the number of killings variously estimated; and 3 million often cited as a reasonable estimate.<BR/><BR/>What a tragedy!<BR/><BR/>To RM,<BR/><BR/>You comment is revealing.<BR/><BR/>To JinSS,<BR/><BR/>From what I know you have the main points you mention right.<BR/><BR/>But there was a great deal more with the "liberal enlightened" West pushing the white government out of power even as that government insisted (rightly as it turned out) that with just one "popular election" the country wuld spiral into tribal warfare and chaos with brutal dictatorship the sure outcome.<BR/><BR/>But the West was too "humane" and "democratic" to agree to a gradual power-sharing, gradual build-up of a black middle class of professionals, government functionaries, etc.<BR/><BR/>More tomorrow.<BR/><BR/>JohnJWMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08275423713054782480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13073631.post-41535931043850960042008-06-23T21:17:00.000-04:002008-06-23T21:17:00.000-04:00John, I take exception to one blogger trying to em...John, I take exception to one blogger trying to embarrass another.<BR/>-----------<BR/>“And perhaps Michelle O's comment about a mean country is in response to the attitude exhibited in Tarhell's post.”<BR/>-----------<BR/>As a blogger, I appreciate this place to express our opinions. What I don’t appreciate is one blogger’s left-hand smearing of a fellow blogger, based on his own so-called righteous opinion. <BR/><BR/>So Michelle Obama thinks American is mean. If I sat listening to Rev. Wright for twenty years, I would probably think that, and worse. However, I would not willingly listen to someone say GD- America, and in a church, NEVER. But, that’s just me. <BR/>----------<BR/>That said, I enjoyed Danvers post very much, and appreciated the insights.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13073631.post-13520482723156190082008-06-23T20:09:00.000-04:002008-06-23T20:09:00.000-04:00John -In the comment on Ms. Obama, I indicated tha...John -<BR/><BR/>In the comment on Ms. Obama, I indicated that sometimes dystopia is the outcome of trying to get to utopia. That applies in spades to Zimbabwe. There were those in the West who objected to white rule in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) as did people like Mugabe. (Note, my understanding is that unlike South Africa, there was not much in the way of apartheid in Rhodesia.) Instead of a having blacks integrated into the white power structure at a measured pace (thereby getting them used to the Anglo-Saxon norms of governance) the pressure was on to get to black rule quickly, which is what happened. The result is that blacks in Zimbabwe are now living with the consequences in a dystopic land.<BR/><BR/>Jack in Silver SpringAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13073631.post-80797985090456817092008-06-23T16:18:00.000-04:002008-06-23T16:18:00.000-04:00danvers,Well said. I believe one of the right Rev...danvers,<BR/>Well said. I believe one of the right Rev. Wright's GD's was in reference to this very policy of America not doing anything to help problems in African nations.<BR/><BR/>And perhaps Michelle O's comment about a mean country is in response to the attitude exhibited in Tarhell's post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13073631.post-3489073600885770722008-06-23T15:14:00.000-04:002008-06-23T15:14:00.000-04:00It's difficult keeping a straight face when I hear...It's difficult keeping a straight face when I hear Aframericans talk about African "culture." In virtually every African nation where the Europeans were thrown out, terror and misery rule. Tribes are killing (and perhaps eating?) other tribes. All the while pretending to be civilized.<BR/>Tarheel HawkeyeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13073631.post-74710410358369622792008-06-23T14:45:00.000-04:002008-06-23T14:45:00.000-04:00John,I grew up in Zimbabwe, and left shortly after...John,<BR/><BR/>I grew up in Zimbabwe, and left shortly after 'independence' in 1980, and although South African born, I still consider myself a Zimbabwean.<BR/><BR/>The entire catastrophe that is the current day Zimbabwe was entirely predictable; ZANU (now ZANU PF) used the same tactics they use today to win the 1980 election. Lord Soames the representative of Margaret Thatcher was so busy trying to appease the leaders of the "liberation movements' that he almost singlehandedly condemned Zimbabweans to their current day fate.<BR/><BR/>Mugabe, shortly after independence, showed his real nature, by ordering the <B>Gukurahundi Massacre</B> of members of the Ndebele tribe; the supporters of his main opposition in Parliament, Joshua Nkomo,leader of ZAPU. Part of Mugabe's army, specifically the 5th Brigade with the support North Korean soldiers murdered between 10 and 20000 Ndebele civilians. They operated and received orders directly from Mugabe's Office (so there will never be any doubt on whose orders the ensuing massacre wascarried out)! Exact figures of those killed will never be known. The 5th Brigade was lead by Perence Shiri, who today is the head of the Zimbabwean Airforce.<BR/><BR/>This is the same Mugabe who was feted by Western Leaders, knighted by Queen Elizabeth, received honourary degrees from British and American Universities. All this plus a state visit to UK as well.<BR/><BR/>The failure of the West and others to do anything constructive about the crisis is in my opinion a reaction to the post colonial guilty conscience suffered by the west.<BR/><BR/>Far better that countless innocent civilians be massacred, than Britian (or the USA) should suffer any finger-pointing by a black African politician.<BR/><BR/>There was a similar response to the genocide in Rwanda - Britain and the USA knew full well what was about to transpire, but decided it was better to ignore it, in case they offended a black politician.<BR/><BR/>For similar reasons they pander to Mbeki who, is quite the most duplicitous and reprehensible politician in power today. <BR/><BR/>But at least let it be said that Thatcher, Major, Blair & Brown didn't offend a Commonwealth head of state.<BR/><BR/>I also feel that black Zimbabweans are partly to blame; they have known the truth about Mugabe for almost 30 years. If ever there was a case of "be careful what you wish for" this is it. Yet they did nothing to curtail the power of Mugabe for the best part of 22 years.<BR/> <BR/>Mugabe and his cohorts are savages, nothing more. They will eventually get their day in court, facing a war crimes tribunal. A pity it is ~20 000 deaths too late. This is also a factor in why they refuse to give up power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com